Tuesday, August 4, 2026

A Conversation with Steve Broderick

Singer/Songwriter Steve Broderick may be known to a generation of Trans-Siberian Orchestra fans as the voice of their classic "Old City Bar", as he sang that song for a decade with the act's East Coast touring company. But there is so much more to music industry veteran Broderick - from fronting powerful rock bands and touring North America, being represented by major industry management, and releasing a string of rootsy solo records in an on-again, off-again recording career - that is very much in the "on" mode once again. I caught up with Steve to talk about his experience as part of the TSO cast, his bands Mama Kettle, American Trash and 100 Watt Suns, and what he is up to musically today. 



Dan Roth: I'd like to kick things off by talking about the first band that I was aware of you being in, Mama Kettle. Was that the first band you had where you released an album?

Steve Broderick:  I went to SUNY Oneonta for school in upstate New York and loved it up there. I started a cover band while there and despite finishing school, I still found myself playing in the band more than anything else. When we graduated, we all moved to the City and made the switch from covers to originals. This was back in the early '90s and our day jobs were all working at record companies at the time. We released an album called Mama Kettle And The Exploited Freaks Travelling Sideshow Band.

DR:  Did you guys have a steady following back then?

SB:  When I moved to New York, I just fell in love with the city and with this band, we really learned how to do it. We were very committed but at the same time, we were very green. We'd do any gigs that came our way; Tuesday evening on Bleeker Street at 2 in the morning, for example. But with a lot of intestinal fortitude, we learned all the steps - wrote and recorded our original music, made an album, and did a lot of touring. 

DR:  I have seen some live videos of the band, from a Public Access show.

SB:  Yeah, that wasn't the most flattering production with the lights and stuff, but it was kinda what the group was.

DR:  Understood. I was digging the organ in the band.

SB: That Hammond organ player, his name is Mike Bianchini and his uncle was Felix Cavaliere of the Rascals, and that organ was the Rascals' organ.

We as a band really were hooked and committed to it. We had a space that we rehearsed in and gigged all over the city. I was out every night of the week either playing or seeing someone; I was completely immersed in it. That leads to getting a pretty big manager and we eventually were represented by Bud Prager and ESP Management, best known for managing Foreigner. Bud eventually got us a good booking agent and our first tour was opening for Tesla! Moving from playing gigs in the city to touring major venues was really eye opening. Our next tours were with Bad Company, Ted Nugent, and Lynryd Skynyrd. We would be backstage and looking at their setlists and there was just hit after hit that we all knew from growing up and hearing them on the radio and we were opening for these guys. This is also when I got close to manager David Krebs, as he was pursuing us.

We recognized that we still had a lot of growth to go to even approach bands like these and there is a level we're not hitting. Eventually we got frustrated with Bud because things were going in the right direction but he didn't leverage all of this touring into a bigger record deal. 

You remember the tv show "Behind the Music"? It was an hour and the first half hour everything was going great and the second half hour was going into the ditch. [Laughs] So, the second half of Mama Kettle is going into the ditch. 

DR:  Krebs of course was also managing Trans-Siberian Orchestra, and, based on their initial 1999 touring success, Krebs decided to launch two touring companies. So, in 2000, suddenly TSO is casting roles and performers for two touring companies. Was your relationship with David Krebs what helped open the door for you there?

SB: Well, that is the short story, for sure. David certainly helped there, but it was a unique situation. Right about 1999, 2000, that was the first time I had gotten out of music. What's the expression, "If you're not growing, you're dying". Through the '90s, we had been touring amphitheaters with Mama Kettle but then when the tours kinda stop and the record stuff gets quiet, it became "What are we doing here?". I had reached a point where I decided that I was 100% done with music, so I thought. In 2000, I was not active in music. I had cut my hair, worked in real estate; I was done. And then I get a call from David Krebs. 

From his call, I thought I was being invited to go and jam with the Savatage guys. I'm thinking I will be jamming with this rock band and listening to some new tunes. Now, I'm a New Yorker - I live on the East Side. And the jam that I think I am going to is like 42nd and the Hudson River [Laughs] It's August and like 150 degrees out and it was so far out there, you get off the subway on the West Side and you still got a 30-minute walk! I finally get there and it is not jammin with a rock band. It looked like a TV Show audition. There was a room with a bunch of Broadway people and sheet music and we were all in this waiting room and I hear "Next" and I see the guy handing sheet music to the piano player. I am thinking "What the fuck am I doing here?!" [Laughs]  I don't know who is in that room and all I can think is that something went wrong. I went downstairs and tried calling David from a payphone and I can't get a hold of him. At this point., I'm just rattled. I literally decided to leave and started walking back to the subway in that heat. After a few blocks I stopped into a bar and had a couple beers - literally just trying to keep up with what I was sweating out. [Laughs]  After drinking for a bit, I decided to go back up there. 

I ended up getting into that room and there is a table that looks like what eventually became that American Idol look. At that table are Paul, David and Taro [Meyer]. I look at David and I'm like "What the fuck is this? What am I doing here?" [Laughs]  I wasn't being irate or an asshole, but I knew David a long time and I guess out of respect for David, Paul let me sing for them. Paul stands up, picks up an acoustic guitar and plays what sounds like the intro to Cat Stevens' "Father and Son", and I'm the biggest Cat Stevens fan in the world; I can actually imitate him really well. So, I started singing "Father and Son". That song starts off kinda quiet and then eventually gets to that ass-tightening point and at that point, me and Paul are jamming!  And that was the link that got me involved with Trans-Siberian Orchestra. Honestly, if he hadn't started playing what sounded like "Father and Son", I don't think I ever would have been involved. And I definitely would never have sung "Old City Bar". That was the audition. 

DR:  When they were casting the roles and songs for the Show, were you cast for "Old City Bar" from the get-go?

SB:  No. Look, I am rock singer. No more, no less. Vocalists - the Celine Dions and the Adeles - that's an amazing thing but that's not what I do. I respect singers and I respect a lot of different genres of music. But when Creedence screams "737 comin' out of the sky", THAT I get. I think realistically as a singer, there is a huge limitation and the only thing I ever had was a 'sound'. I struggled for years to get that consistent and work on that. So, belting out a rock song and sounding like me, yeah - everyday of the week! Trying to be cast in a part was weird. Some of the rock songs they had were a better fit. I don't know how I ended up with "Old City Bar"; it's gotta be from that Cat Stevens thing.

DR: Were you already familiar with TSO when you showed up that studio that day?

SB:  Yeah, because their record came out in '96. I was with Krebs at that point and I had also worked at Atlantic Records. I was a huge Savatage fan though - that Poets and Madmen record was so good. We used to jam to that while on tour.

DR:  O'Neill was infamous for having the singers really get in a certain mindset for the songs they were assigned. 

SB: Yeah, that part is fascinating to me and it really took on a life of it's own, beyond any of the tempo drama that existed. I do think its a masterpiece of a song and give him all the credit in the world for that writing and the redemption that's built into it. I love the original recording and love the original vocals, done by John Margolis. I heard a live version from 1999 when he sang it and that was just "it". I never came close. 

DR:  The presentation of "Old City Bar" certainly changed over time with costumes and a bit of acting, both with you and with Bart Shatto in the West cast. Did you start out singing it straight while in the TSO tuxedo?



SB:  I am a big fan of Bart's and of Broadway and really respect what he did with it. I will say that that element of being in character - I love it as a fan. That was never something that was a good fit for me. The coat and props all came from Bart and really had nothing to do with me, and I'm not sure if I ever was comfortable with all of that, but it became part of the deal if I wanted to stay there. You know, I was really close with the late James Lewis. We were unbelievable friends. Other than a little John Hiatt, there is no one else that sounds like James. When "Christmas Nights in Blue" came along, it was just the perfect fit for James. All he had to do for that was go be James! In a perfect world, I would have had a song where all I had to do was be me! [Laughs]

In the early days of TSO, it was a scenario like Saturday Night Live, with a cast hired for this brand entity. And with SNL, it was "This year, Joe Piscopo is going to make the movie, Eddie Murphy will make a movie, next year David Spade is going to make a movie" and so on. There was this element where there are so many talented people and there is this audience and it was discussed that being in this TSO cast would eventually help with some of your own music. Obviously, I don't think that happened with anybody. So it eventually becomes "you either leave or you don't". I love that there were different genres of musicians and singers working together, but that idea of "I got the spot in the cast" was not me. I wanted to be in a band doing the kind of music I loved, I was not looking for a gig.

DR:  Clearly you were also involved in the Show with singing backings and the occasional extra song in the second half of the Show, but "Old City Bar" was a little different. For most of the Show, there is non-stop action - lights, fire, blocking, various effects and so forth. When you and Alex Skolnick come out for that song, all of that chaos is gone and it is just the two of you and a spotlight. Clearly you were a seasoned performer, but was that nerve wracking at all?

SB: That is really perceptive and a great question. It is a double-edged sword. I was always like "Why me?!" [Laughs]  There's fucking bombs going off and dancing girls and all you've got to do is go out and rock for three minutes. No. You're going out there for fifteen minutes; It was like being fed to the fucking lions! [Laughs] There were moments with Alex and the emotional impact of that song and getting through how exposed you are - it was like "Holy Shit!". Paul's thing with this song is redemption and that was personal to me. To go through all of the struggles of being in bands and opening acts to now being in arenas and Paul gave me that chance. There was just so much in delivering it and connecting with it but also the other side of it with "How did I get here?". 

DR: Sounds like just a heavy moment all around. 

SB:  It really was. Ya know, one of Paul's baseline rules was "Whatever happens, don't stop." And one particularly memorable moment was when Alex and I were out there doing this song and there was some sort of arc flash in the lighting rig that broke a clamp and a light came down that narrowly missed somebody right in the front - mid-tune. We had to keep going like nothing happened, but it was a real "Holy Shit" moment - it was like an explosion. 

DR:  You mentioned how much you liked the original recording, which is just over six minutes long. The tempo was certainly slowed down when performed live and seemed to get longer over the years. We know that was the direction being given, but did you ever try and pick it up at all?

SB:  Yeah, I was younger and I was a rocker. Look, I fought the law and the law won. [Laughs] I am lucky that I didn't get thrown out of there sooner. Paul's premise was that bands play everything faster live, which is true, and he felt the lyrics get lost and he wanted his lyrics heard. So there was this premise that we're going to slow it down. And honestly, it probably went too far. I am sure you have heard the story from when Roger Daltrey was guesting with us. That was the greatest thing ever. One, getting to jam with these legends was amazing and I will always be indebted to Paul for those experiences. The way it would work is we would know about a month before the appearance and we would learn the material and play it at soundcheck. The day the legend would arrive, that soundcheck would be the rehearsal and then we would do it. We start the rehearsal with Roger and we're doing "Pinball Wizard" and it is much slower than the speed on the record. And Roger Daltrey, within ten seconds, [Laughs] "Hold it, Hold it, Hold it. Who the fuck picked these tempos?!"  [Laughs] And Paul is standing right there. We couldn't say that, but Roger could. 

DR:  After you were no longer in TSO, you had a bit of fun with the tempo and recorded a solo version that clocked in less than three minutes.

Twas the night before Christmas and all through the arena's
"It's too slow, pick it up" I could hear some screamers
So I hope that this version that jacks the pace
brings a grin to your griddle and a smile to your face
It's meant in love and good fun that's important to say
and to each and all have a Merry Christmas festivus


SB:  I loved doing that. I can't say it was sanctioned by Paul, but I know Paul heard it and he got a kick out of it. 

DR:  During the finale of the TSO Show, traditionally another performer comes out with a guitar and for many of those tours you were on, that was you. I know you were keen to rock out a bit more and I'd imagine this was a fun moment for you?

SB:  Yeah and for the last three or four tours I was on, there was a bunch of tunes where I am playing guitar. I am a bass player by trade and have done a ton of work playing bass. I can play the guitar, but I have never had the desire to do the work to really became fluent, but I can play. That was kinda cool. Even when they started adding more parts, a lot of it was just single-string riffs and stuff, almost like playing bass.

Also, while I did "Old City Bar" for all of those tours, early on I also got to sing in the second half occasionally doing those Tommy Farese songs, "The Snow Came Down" and "Find Our Way Home". It was cool to get those opportunities as well.


DR:  TSO is, particularly in those formative years, a real melting pot of talent, with musicians and singers from all over the musical spectrum - from Broadway to metal to r&b to rock. For you, a rocker at heart, fun to be immersed in while on tour?


SB: Oh yeah! That was amazing and eye-opening and I wish I saw some of that level of talent sooner. Take Alex, he was still going to school and studying jazz in 2000 and he was on tour transcribing Miles Davis charts for his homework! That level of commitment was amazing. Daryl Pediford was a God. I have this one image burned in my head. Those old tours were in these cool theaters and we are in the upstairs dressing room with one raw light bulb and there's Pediford putting his tux on with the cigarette and the smoke swirling around. He was shining his shoes - dude, it's like fucking Eddie Kendricks!  And what he would do on stage, the kind of person he was and his warm presence. It was an honor just to be around him. After Shows we would go to a bar and if there was a band playing, we would get up there and jam - the music that just came out him was unbelievable. He was taken from us far too soon.

DR: Looking back at your time with the TSO, what did you take away from it?

SB:  I mentioned the redemption thing earlier, which is a big reason why it resonates to me personally. But selfishly, there was also this element of validation. All of those years of garage bands, backyard parties, and shitty bars - there was something incredibly validating to me to play with TSO. I will give Paul credit. He was the only person that I ever heard that looked at all of that stuff as an apprenticeship. Take someone like Tommy Farese. I grew up on the Island and back then there was such an incredible cover scene - these musicians and bands playing seven nights a week and absolutely killing it. I didn't have the heyday of that, but Paul saw value in that. This was the price of the education to be prepared to do something like that. 

DR: Just curious - Chris Caffery always introduced you as "Stevie B". Where did that come from?

SB:  It was unfortunate that there was this dance guy in the '80s called Stevie B and it just kinda stuck. I love Chris and his mom was often at shows and I was close with them. His mom always got it wrong. She would always say "Stevie D". [Laughs]  She was great and recently passed. I consider Chris a close personal friend and major talent.

DR: We talked a bit about your involvement with David Krebs and TSO, and you made it clear that you were hoping to get to rock out and be yourself a bit more. While in TSO, you started a band that had a harder, more mature sound. Let's chat about American Trash. I hear influences of Aerosmith and Guns N Roses in there.

SB: [Laughs] Perfect!  There's an expression that says the good ones borrow and the great ones steal. We wanted that sound! The guys in American Trash were a mixture of musicians from New York and Connecticut and one of them, Joe Delaney, had a studio and we ended up getting that together. All of things that I wanted to achieve to get to that next level, American Trash had that. We would scare the fuck out of the headliner. With Mama Kettle, we would get blown off the stage by the headliners. With American Trash, those headliners better have been on that night or we'll eat their lunch. 

DR: One of the stand-out tracks off the Element of Doom album is "Hole in My Soul". Tell me a bit about that one.

SB: This band was just a roundhouse kick to the face. Everything about it was just "Kaboom!"!  I loved it. It was really special. "Hole in My Soul" was written by JoeTown (Joe Delaney). We had two albums out, manager David Krebs was behind us, and we had a major record deal in front of us that got fucked up. 

So one day I am in my apartment and I get a phone call and it's "Can you hold for Clive Davis?"!  I am thinking "Who is fucking with me here?" [Laughs] and then Clive Davis gets on the phone and says "Congratulations, you have a hit song"!  But in the end, it didn't work out. And the reason that deal didn't work out was we were in our early 30's and there was all this focus on image and photo shoots and marketing concepts instead of us playing live. They wound up giving that record deal to a Philly band who were all in their 20's and they got sent out on tours with Van Halen and Aerosmith. My takeaway from that was that I was too old and too stupid to quit. [Laughs]

DR: Wow....so close and it really seemed like you were on the right trajectory with the band, the tunes, and David Krebs behind you. I understand that Paul O'Neill liked that particular song also.

SB: Yea, Paul O'Neill was obsessed with that song "Hole In My Soul" and said a million times he wanted TSO to cover it.

DR: One last TSO-related question. In 2013, they flew you over to Germany to sing with TSO for their 9-minute New Years Eve performance at the Brandenburg Gate. It was you, Bart Shatto, Chris Pinella, and Jay Pierce singing the Latin portion of "A Last Illusion"

SB: Yeah! That was unbelievable. That was so cool. Adam Lind and Kenny Kaplan, who worked under Krebs for so many years, had carried on successfully managing TSO once David was no longer involved and it was great to get the call from them to do this! 

I was really active with my solo stuff at the time and it was such a cool thing to do. It was an amazing experience; I think they said there were a million people there!  We had such a great time. I had roomed with Skippy (Dave Z) for most of my years on the TSO tours and it was great to hang with him again. They had this Christmas Marketplace that was like something out of a storybook. There were these great outdoor areas and you could go get a German beer and they had these ice slides that were right outside of our hotel. The gig was fun and we make our way back and he and I spent the night going down these ice slides in inner tubes [Laughs]. That was a hoot! I have such great memories of Skippy; another who we lost too soon.


I have to say, putting on the TSO outfit again after all those years, a lot had changed. Paul's vision for TSO with the tuxes and stuff all goes back to those Savatage videos of "When the Crowds are Gone" and "Gutter Ballet". The whole vision is there - the pyro, the strings, the tuxes. In the early days of TSO, there was a place on 86th Street in New York called Jack's Tuxedos and these things were rentals, dude. [Laughs] I'm 6-foot-something, a skinny rock dude with this rental tux - we looked like we were at our Junior Prom [Laughs] . Fast forward to getting to sing with them again at this 2013 gig and the cast now has costumes from Planet of the Apes! I was like "How did you guys get out of those crappy tuxes and into these cutoff-sleeves and shit!"  

DR:  [Laughs]  I remember when the new coats, black jeans and wallet chains showed up and the jackets started coming off in the second half of the Show and there was this new look. 

SB:  We got gypped! [Laughs]

DR: You had released a solo record along the way with a very different sound, more rural and rootsy, and even included a Mama Kettle cover on it. And a great band with a couple guys that had been involved with TSO and even Joel Hoekstra on guitar, who wound up joining the TSO cast in 2010.

SB: Yeah, in 2004 I put out this record that was way more "Tom Petty" than "Guns N Roses". I have a history with Joel Hoekstra. Katrina Chester, who sang with TSO, was in a show called "Love, Janis" that was about Janis Joplin. I went to go see Katrina in that show and she had a great band - Joel on guitar, Rob Clores on keyboards, Eric Massimino on bass and Thommy Price on drums, who was a New York legend. I saw the show but didn't meet the band, but I was telling Katrina what a great band she had and she said that we should link up. Funny story - there were two guitarists in the band; one that looked like Eric Clapton and Joel. Katrina tells me that she is going to put me in touch with the guitar player and I wasn't sure which one she meant. We hooked up on the phone a couple times and made arrangements for him to come to my apartment to work on some music, and I open the door and I was like "You're not the Eric Clapton guy!" [Laughs]. We ended up writing together and he helped me tremendously with that record. Joel and I worked so well together and became great friends. It did really suck not to be able to tour with him when I was out and he was hired on guitar.

DR: Was the change to go from that full-on rock sound of American Trash to this more rootsy style intentional?

SB: Yes. Look, I grew up with metal like Iron Maiden and KISS, but I am the biggest Van Morrison fan in the world and that kind of music was not a stretch for me. When I moved to Connecticut from New York in 2007, there is a radio station that comes in from Long Island called WEHM that I just fell in love with. They'll play a classic Tom Petty tune, a Rolling Stones deep cut, and then a new artist that has all of those influences. That has kept me plugged into new music.

DR: One of my favorite songs from this album is "Fifty Fifty".


SB: That's Joel's riff. That just came out of one of those writing sessions I mentioned and he brought that riff with him. I love writing lyrics and that lyric to me, was about a relationship where she was not going to accept anything but equal partnership. I had a friend from Oneonta that loves to refer to the line I wrote in that song, "Time has the tendency of glossing over the lunacy" - there's a lot of lyrics in that one that I really like.

DR: The first song on this album is a remake of a song you did on the Mama Kettle record. What made you want to re-do this one?

SB: Even with how much I told you about Mama Kettle, with the big manager and record deals, there was so much pressure to write. We could hand in The White Album and they would ask for more songs [Laughs]. "Love is Wasted on Me" got a lot of attention for the band and is something that I was always proud of writing. When I did this time around as a "solo guy", that was a nice connection to the past. There is another song on there called "Dripping" - a couple of Mama Kattle bandmates didn't make it and this is about one of them and is very pointed about some of the occupational hazards.

DR: Oh wow. I am familiar with "Dripping" but now those lyrics take on a bit of new meaning.

Apart from Joel, you have Mark Ambrosino on drums. Among other great gigs, he was a long-time back-up drummer for TSO. Did you know him from your TSO touring days?

SB: Well the producer on that record is Mike Lutz, who played bass for Ted Nugent, when we toured with Ted. Mike is a Detroit guy and I recorded a lot of this record in Detroit. Mike was also in a band called Brownsville Station and he co-wrote that classic "Smokin' In The Boy's Room". He brought in Blue Miller from Bob Seger's band and I brought in Joel. As you mentioned, Mark was in the backup band and I will never forget - opening night of the 2003 TSO tour, Jeff Plate's sister had passed and Mark got the call to play on very short notice and did an incredible job. Mark is a killer drummer and really skilled as a studio guy with engineering too. So he really fit right in.

DR: One last song I wanted to ask about from this record is "Never a Day Goes By". I see you have re-released that and re-did it a bit?

SB: Dan, I know you have some health issues. I just went through something too and have been dealing and processing it. I have had a lot of starts and stops with music and thinking about mortality issues has really got me focused more on my music. I am writing quite a bit, upgraded my home studio and looking at some of my older stuff too.

There's something really cool with "Never a Day Goes By". There was a band in the '70's called Artful Dodger that was managed by Lieber-Krebs. David Krebs told me "These guys should've been huge. They had this huge Cheap Trick/Power Pop-thing and you have some vocal similarities with their singer." He handed me a cassette with a few of their tunes and I instantly gravitated to this song. I recorded it in '04 and for the last 20 years, David has been trying to get me to do something more with it. So I just this year remixed it with Jay Messina. Jay was the original engineer for Artful Dodger! So yea...new, old stuff!



DR: So 2010 comes along, and apart from that one-off gig in 2013, TSO, their tuxes and American Trash are in the rear-view mirror. And we are greeted with a fresh new solo record called Shamrock Eyes. Is that your bass you're holding on the cover?

SB: Nah, that's my Martin Acoustic. Same Martin as the ones TSO used to use. I had moved to Connecticut, started meeting some musicians in that area and my old friend in American Trash, JoeTown, produced it. There is an element there of "I'm doing what I want" - very shoestring and just had a blast recording it. Making music for music's sake.

DR: One track that stands out to me is "Almost a Crime", which has a real Black Crowes feel.

SB: The tagline on Mama Kettle was "The Black Crowes meets the Red Hot Chili Peppers". I love those guys and they have a huge Stones thing and I'm a Rolling Stones fanatic. I could never escape that but that wasn't bad company to be in. That song definitely has some of that influence.

So, "Almost a Crime" is an interesting story. So sometimes I would hang out with [Guitarist] Al Pitrelli and we would work on some stuff. I love collaborating and I would be like "Hey, I'm writing, do you got anything?". He shows some stuff and he definitely had that hook for "Maybe I might lose my mind" and I was recording on my little work cassette. He told me that when he was working with Alice Cooper, he showed him the song and thought it might be another "Only Women Bleed". So, crazy thing. I call Al to let him know that I wrote the lyrics and ended up fleshing out what he shared with me and he gave me his blessing. The record comes out and a TSO fan gets a hold of it and messages me "Hey I didn't know you loved Alice Cooper so much!". I said "What are you talking about?" She goes "That part is just like an Alice Cooper song". And it was. I call Al - "What happened?" He says "Wires got crossed. I didn't know it was something from Alice Cooper already". One of the TSO guys was friendly with Alice's management and we kinda put the toothpaste back in the tube. So I think I inadvertently cowrote with Alice Cooper on that song.

DR: Wow! What a background to that song. A couple years after this record, you released an EP credited to Steve Broderick and The 100 Watt Suns.

SB: Yeah, that is an extension of Shamrock Eyes. Long story short, one of the biggest mistakes I made was not picking a stage name. Everything I ever did was under Steve Broderick and there is nothing cool about "Steve Broderick". It sounds like a plumber. I always wanted a band name. SO some of the guys who helped me with Shamrock Eyes turned into the 100 Watt Suns. We had a really good run throughout the Northeast. We had this new song on there called "You Can't Hide" that did pretty well on the AAA radio format.

DR: What is your songwriting process like? Do you write them all and then go into the studio? Or do you continue writing as you are recording?

SB: I have always said that music is an affliction. Even if I go "I'm not doing this anymore:", someone may say something to me that will resonate with me and things kinda gather. And then you have a stockpile of ideas. So when I decide to get going again musically, which I just started doing again, I have these things that have been gelling and I get them ready to track.

DR: It is great to see and hear new tunes from Steve Broderick, the singer. "Boots on the Ground" is your newest release. What can you tell me about it?

SB: "Boots on the Ground" is an expression we are all hearing too much on the news these days. But that lyric is not specific about military. For me, its more of a class warfare kind of thing. It's that gap and transference of wealth. I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth, not a silver spoon [Laughs] and its about that and a lot of strong feelings of something's gotta give. Starter homes are what mansions used to cost. People don't have access to health care anymore. So its a little approach to some political feelings that I have. I also think its funky as fuck and has a little Sly Stone in it. That works for me too. I worked with some great musicians here locally and Alex Wilhelm down in Nashville did the awesome mix.


On guitar we have Jerry Prejean, who is from Louisiana, and has a legit Chicken Pickin' thing going on, real talented and been doing some cowriting. I work a lot with an unbelieve drummer named John Seastrand who is just an unbelievable powerhouse. I would also love to mention Bill Light. He is an unbelievable slide guitar player who has a great sense of melody. A lot of times when you hear that, people think Allman Brothers, but his real thing is David Lindley, who played with Jackson Browne.

DR: Do you have any plans yet to start putting these together in album form and release it physically or digitally?

SB:  Well my plan is to crawl out of my cave. Around 2015, I determined that squeeze wasn't worth the juice. I was enjoying it but it just caved in on me with family and life in general. I thought I was done, but I'm not. I want people to hear the new music. I've been getting my voice in shape and been singing a lot. We'll see what happens. I'm a glutton for punishment. 

DR: You mentioned you're a Stones fan.

SB: That's an understatement.

DR: What do you think of their new record? Still inspiring you after all this time?

SB:  Yea it does. I've been falling for the same trick for thirty years. You gotta go to the show because it might be their last. Last summer at Giants Stadium - these guys are in their 80's and put on an unbelieveable show. I remember when "Under cover of the Night" came out and I was like "Eh, I'm not sure". But those songs all age well. It's that Stones grease, ya know.

DR: Thanks for taking the time, Steve. Appreciate all the insight and stories and looking forward to new music!



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Wednesday, December 6, 2023

A Conversation with Circle of Sanity

Circle of Sanity is a hard rock/metal band that has been performing and recording for fifteen years, developing a loyal following in the Northeast USA amongst a series of personnel changes. 2023 marks yet one more evolution for this band, and one that is poised to make waves in both its sound and band configuration. For the first time in their history, founding members Josh Sapna (Guitar/Bass/Vocals) and Kevin Horner (Drums) have added keyboards into their group in a major way. Classical/Prog Metal keyboard legend Vitalij Kuprij of Trans-Siberian Orchestra, who has spent the last couple of years releasing his latest solo album, Progression, as well as releases with prog-metal outfits Majustice and Ring of Fire, has come aboard and has officially joined Circle of Sanity. 

I had the honor and pleasure recently to sit in on their rehearsals as they played much of their forthcoming new EP live and chatted with the guys on the history of the group, their latest lineup with Kuprij now involved, and upcoming plans. They talked candidly about their music and band, and I came away from this experience quite impressed with their unique combo of hard rock, prog metal all with a strong melodic ingredient.  We also floated the new song past a few musicians and got their thoughts, shared at the end of this interview.



Dan Roth: Can you tell me a little about how the band originally formed and when?

Josh Sapna: We formed this band in 2008.  Prior to that I had a band called Mad Souls that put out a 14-song record, and for a while I was in a cover band called The Bugs.  The Bugs was booked by Media Five and we did the shore scene, big crowds, good money, but no outlet for my art. I put an ad out and Kevin Horner hit me up and we found a bass player and a second guitarist.  I started bringing my songs to the table and we wound up recording an EP at Barber Shop Studios with the late, great Jason Corsaro, the Grammy winning engineer.  It was our first release and overall were not as happy with it as we would've liked.  We wound up being a little rushed getting it done.
 In 2014, we released a full-length album, Twisted Into Shape, which had some new songs and a few from that original EP that we wanted to re-record and put out there in a more final shape. It was co-produced and mixed by Grammy award winner John Seymour (Alice in Chains, Dave Matthews, Santana).

Roth:  Tell me about the name "Circle of Sanity". 

Sapna:  At the time I was really into the band A Perfect Circle. Also years before that, I wrote a song called “in circles”, which was produced, but only released locally through a few hundred CDs. It’s a song I would love to redo and release in the future.  I knew that the next band name would have “circle” in it and whatever  I came up with would be the last one I would ever have to create. I released all the songs I’ve written from that point on under that name, regardless of whoever was playing them with me. Thinking about all the craziness that works its way into peoples lives got me thinking that when we were there in our circle playing music, none of those things could exist there, and the name was born “Circle Of Sanity”. That night I called Kevin and ran it by him and explained my thoughts of how I came up with it and he agreed it was a good name and so we went with it.

Kevin Horner: You never know what's going to happen when you walk out the door each day, but in here, with these guys here in our circle, this was our circle of sanity from outside worries.

Sapna: Once we had that settled, I started thinking about our logo and we were the first band to put the letters of their band name in an emblem like that.  I designed the logo and that will be on our albums and banners.

Roth: The band lineup seems like it has evolved over the years.

Sapna: Well, Kevin had taken a sabbatical at one point.

Horner: Yeah, I had stepped away from drums and was really done for a long time. Spent time with the family. But then over the last year or so, I filled in at a few Circle of Sanity shows and then one day Josh called me and tells me about his new writing partner and invited me back to check things out. With the talent level in this room, which was all it took for me to be back in. 

Roth: Has the band always been a trio?

Sapna: No, it started out as a four-piece, but when Dan Molkenthin left to join Back in Black, the AC/DC tribute band, we stayed as a trio from that point on. We have been through a couple different bass players over the years.  I have led a trio for most of my years on my musical journey. For this new lineup, we are currently writing and recording as a trio. 

Roth: Josh, through all the years of this band, you have been the one mainstay the entire time. Are you sort of the keeper of the flame, as it were?

Sapna:  Yeah. For the last two records, I wrote everything on them except for "The Oath"; Kevin wrote the lyrics and Dan Molkenthin had written the music  on that one. I do all the vocals and guitars, and on our last record, Celestial Mechanics, I also wrote all of the bass lines too.  We'll see how that goes for this new album.

Roth:  On the Celestial Mechanics album, you guys did a Crowded House cover, which was somewhat unexpected, but it worked. You definitely made it your own. Where did the inspiration come to cover that, and is doing a cover something you would do again?

Sapna:  I've always loved "Don't Dream It's Over" and I like to throw in a cover and see what we can do with it.  I want to do a cover of The Doors' "Strange Days" on our next album. You might not think a band like us would listen to eighties music like that, but I love some of it and it was fun to record.

Roth:  I know bands don't always like to label themselves, but do you consider yourselves a metal band?

Sapna:  Not by today's standards. There is metal in there of course, we are all metalheads. But today "metal" means something different than it did thirty years ago.

Roth:  Josh, who are your inspirations?  

Sapna:  In the early days, it was Led Zeppelin, Allman Brothers, Pink Floyd, Traffic, and on up to Iron Maiden, Pearl Jam, Nirvana, Chris Cornell.  I am a huge fan of Rush, Tool and Karnivool. My well of influences is really deep.

Roth:  How about you Kevin? Any significant influences?

Horner:  I love Vinnie Paul, Dave Lombardo, Neal Peart. Lars Ulrich of course too after listening to him for the last forty years.  But Vinnie Paul is probably the style that I bring to this band.  I'm probably more of the "heavy" guy in the group, even though the band is more melodic. I bring the brawn to the melodic.


Sapna:  Exactly, we do have a way of staying out of each other's way, while bringing a lot to the music. It just happens naturally.  When you listen to the three of us performing, there is a lot going on but nothing steps on anything else.

Roth:  You have referenced the current lineup a couple of times here.  Let's talk about your newest member, and the first time the band has had a keyboardist, Vitalij Kuprij.

Sapna:  I started playing out again once things started opening back up after the pandemic, I had a different bassist and drummer, but we were out there playing songs from Celestial Mechanics and the prior record.  And over the course of the last year, I met Vitalij just socially.  We were playing darts and talking music.

Vitalij Kuprij:  We met at a social club not far from where I live.  We would be playing pool or darts, but always talking music. Over time, he would share with me his songs and then Josh invited me to jam.  For me, I never really wanted to do anything locally unless it showed true potential.

Sapna:  Just as I wouldn't expect to find a world-class piano player at the local fire company, he wouldn't expect to find a songwriter who does what I do at my level. It is just by grace of God that this came together like this.

Kuprij:  As I got to know Josh, I realized that this made sense on a personal level.  We have the same passion, the same kind of point of view, the same attitude toward 'no shortcuts, no winging it, make a statement on the highest possible level', which led us to getting together and the rest is history. I came here and we just started playing and it led me to join them on a full-terms commitment basis.

Roth:  Is this the first time you have had a keyboardist in the band?

Sapna:  Yeah. It was never anything I thought I needed to seek out for the band. .  The piano is the most beautiful instrument in the world. To hear how that can go with TOOL-ish kind of music, you don't always get that. When you listen to my heavy riffs and hear what Vitalij does to complement them and drive the song to higher levels!

Kuprij:  And we work really well together. You know, I have had my own bands where I did the writing for them, but Josh does all of that. To me, I want to look for incentive, not to just be a keyboard player. He starts creating something, a split musical creation where I can be part of it compositionally which is a big incentive for me to commit to anything. My golden times are gone where I just show up and play keyboards for someone. I'm not that type. I want to be part of this on a deeper level than just performing keys. 

If the musical idea one of us brings is good, we combine our forces and develop it. To me, this was something that was important to me before I would commit to the band.  We never argue, and we all value each other.

Roth:  You have such a deep classical and prog-metal background. Do you find it easy to add your element to this band?

Kuprij:  I just try to fit them in into the puzzle, and this is a good puzzle and it works. It is just natural and you have to grab that.

Sapna:  "The Great Escape" is our first single and I had that written and arranged, then Vitalij added his musicality to it. Then we got into this other song where I had the riff and a verse and chorus, but then he came up with this whole other part that took it to another level.


Roth:  Can you tell me a little about the lyrical content of the song? The lyric "You can feel how the tension builds,  no regard for the dreams it kills. Now we all have to fight this machine, or our dreams could expire." stood out to me. 

Sapna:  My thought on that was for people to escape all the media propaganda that is directed at setting people against each other and for humanity to escape that and come together for the good of all. That’s the message of that song.

Kuprij:  Another reason that I really value my commitment to this is that I've always been a European-oriented individual for most of my life. When I got to the USA, it was classical and TSO.  I've done some damage in Japan, as you know, but I never wanted to do something in the U.S. market because TSO took that over for me. Those two months playing in arenas were good enough for me. We still play some cool rock songs after the rock opera story. To me, that was enough. But with these guys, we have a multi-genre type of sound that we are crafting. That's what it feels to me.

Sapna: We could go out with a Breaking Benjamins or even a Shinedown.

Horner:  It's classical, a bit of grunge and metal.

Kuprij: Yes! I can sneak in with the classical and my own rock stuff that I do. 


Roth:  So many records these days are made remotely, with musicians in various parts of the world  sharing files. Vitalij, you did that most recently with the releases from Majustice and Ring of Fire. And that is almost the standard these days. With you guys writing and recording here in this studio, do you have a preference?

Sapna:  It is way better all being here in the same room. Working with files, you have to work with what is given. With us all working it out here in person, I'll come up with something that I think a song will go, and Vitalij or Kevin will come in with something that I hadn't even planned and we change the song. That's the kind of stuff that doesn't happen when working remotely.

Kuprij:  It is like talking to Voyager. You come up with an idea and you have to wait seven f**king days to get a reply. [Laughs]  Let's jam and get it done! I started with Roger [Staffelbach] the same way. There's three of us and we are writing and recording five feet away from one another!

Horner:  There is an energy that this band has that is undeniable. It's the energy you feel when you see certain bands. The biggest thing for me is this is fun. I'm not even looking to be a rock star. I love coming here weekly and writing with these guys because I know they're going to challenge the shit out of me and it's a blast. These guys are just really amazing musicians and you don't get this with every other band.

Roth:  So, tell me about this new record you're working on with this exciting new lineup.  An EP or a full album?

Sapna:  It's an EP at this point, but if we keep writing, it may be a full-length album. But we'll see. Releasing records these days is different than it used to be. It may make more sense to release a shorter EP and then follow it up with another. What we are thinking is it may be five songs and a cover. I'd also like to do an acoustic version of a song from one of our previous albums, just a new take.

Horner:  Acoustically, our songs sound just as heavy, but served up differently.

Roth:  Once the album is released, do you have plans to tour?

Kuprij:  Absolutely! I get the TSO tour done, come back and get some things scheduled. We want to bring our music to the people and they are going to love it!

Roth:  Any label lined up yet? 

Kuprij:  Not yet. We have some interest already, but we will be considering offers. You know,  we have a bit of everything. The riffs. the heaviness, the melodies, the power, the wide-open choruses.

Horner: The choruses are sing-a-along choruses, but still heavy.

Kuprij:  We play it humanly with balls, none of that sampled bullshit. 



"The great escape” is just that…a great escape from the norm that takes you on a wonderful rollercoaster ride of music and melody’s. It travels through a progressive metal time warp that is full of superior musicianship. A perfect match of grooves, riffs and intensity that is just as I said…”A great escape” - Chris Caffery (Savatage/Trans-Siberian Orchestra/Spirits of Fire)

“The Great Escape: Heavy and has a nice grinding groove. The melody is catchy and I really like the vocals as well.” - Rosa Laricchiuta (Headpins/Trans-Siberian Orchestra)

"Badass !!!!" -Al Pitrelli (Alice Cooper, Savatage, Megadeth, TSO)

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Saturday, November 9, 2019

A Conversation with The Wizards of Winter

Over the course of the last ten years, Yuletide rockers The Wizards of Winter have been spreading their brand of Christmas cheer with three Christmas albums and annual nationwide tours.  What started out as a tribute band to raise money for a local New Jersey food pantry quickly evolved and grew into an all-original Christmas act with fans worldwide.  The group consists of a host of first class musicians and vocalists whose backgrounds include Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Def Leppard, The Irish Tenors, Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, Blue Oyster Cult and more.  The band recently released their third album, The Christmas Dream, to rave reviews. I sat down with the founders of the band, Keyboardist/Musical Director Scott Kelly and Flutist/Vocalist Sharon Kelly to talk in-depth about the new album and tour.


Photo courtesy Jeff Smith of ReflectionsNYC


Dan Roth: On social media, you had been talking about making a new album for a couple years now. What was it that finally got everyone into the studio?

Scott Kelly: It was having enough material ready and having everyone available at the same time.

Dan: A few of the songs on the new album made their debut in concert before you recorded them. Does playing these songs out first help when it comes to recording them?

Scott: Absolutely. The songs get refined. We come up with a rough idea of the chords and melody structure and Fred will work up the guitar leads. By playing them live, we find out what worked and what didn't and come up with the final format. The arrangements really get tweaked, as we experiment with them.

For example, if you just listen to Fred's solo on "Secrets of the Snow Globe", his solo is amazing. When we first started playing that song live, that wasn't the solo that he played on it, but now it will be.

Dan: What was the first song written for the album?

Scott: The first song conceived for this album is one that we call "The Happy Song". This was a song that we started working on in 2016 with just me, Sharon and Fred. We banged it out with the drummer that we had at the time. In the two years this song has been around, we could not come up with a name for it. Any time that we would play it for someone, they would always remark what a "happy song" it was. It just stuck. It is sort of a running joke within the band that our songs have four or five names internally here. We tried to come up with a name for it, but "The Happy Song" just stuck.

Dan: Describe the creative process that went into this. Do you write all of the songs beforehand? Or is any of it done in the studio?

Scott: Both. The way it works most of the time is that I will develop the melodies, the chord structures and most of the lyrics. Sharon will then work me over with the lyrics.

Sharon Kelly: He puts too many words in each line. [Laughs]

Scott: I'm not a singer, Sharon sings a lot of these and she will tell me where I need to rearrange and edit the lyrics without losing the spirit or the story. I'll record all of it on my keyboards and Sharon works on the vocals with me and then the next person in the process is always Fred. My writing style is more prog rock/Broadway and a lot of our songs need that metal edge. Fred puts all that on top of what I come up with.

Sharon: He and Fred have a very unique writing ability that they share together. They are just a really great writing team.

Scott: I've tried writing with other people, and it doesn't work the same as it does with Fred. Together we make a great team.  He'll hear things in what I bring him, and ideas immediately come into his head. Fred lays down all of the guitar work on the melodies that I gave him. Then it goes to John O.Reilly and Greg Smith and we determine what the final arrangement is going to look like.


Sometimes, we finish way in advance before we get to the studio. Other times, some songs don't get finished until we are actually in the studio to record. Like the song "Midnight Noel" on the new album. That was around in my head for a couple years without me bringing it to anyone. We wrote it in one day, rehearsed it that evening and recorded it the next day. And even that - while we were recording it, Greg remarked how he would love to hear some organ on it. Our engineer chimed in about Deep Purple and I immediately thought of "Highway Star".  With that in mind, I worked in an organ solo that fit in with the song, recorded it in one take and it came out great.

Sharon: When we were originally putting that song together, we envisioned the flute carrying the "First Noel" lead. When we did it that way, it just didn't sound right and didn't sound heavy enough. We flipped it and Fred played the lead on guitar. Allowing us the freedom to make moves like that in the studio is critical to how our songs come out.

Scott: "Midnight Noel" is a great example of that. We recorded the whole thing with flute carrying the lead and without the organ part and it came out a bit too "pop" for our tastes. We do try and keep our songs commercial enough to get airplay, but this one felt too far that way. So, we re-worked it until it came out how you hear it.

Dan: Even though Greg Smith has been the bass player in the band for several years now, this is the first Wizards album that he has recorded on. Additionally, this is the first album with drummer John O.Reilly on board. These two have played and recorded together before with Rainbow and Joe Lynn Turner. What was the recording experience like with these two in the band?

Sharon: Too much fun! [Laugh]

Scott: [Laughs] Very true. They know each other so well musically. They are so tight together; our engineer was loving it because they would be done in a take or two.

Dan: We've already talked about "The Happy Song" and "Midnight Noel". Let's take a look at the rest of the music on The Christmas Dream. “Secrets of the Snow Globe”, the album opener, though five minutes in length, feels like a mini-epic with a few different movements that make up the song. It kicks off with sort of a haunting intro with keys and Sharon’s wordless vocal lines before it moves into the vocal portion, and then into this prog-metal instrumental section led by Fred’s fiery guitar work, before moving back to the vocal portion to wrap the song up. There is no real chorus to the song either. Can you talk about how that song was constructed and came about? It feels like something that could have become a 12-minute song a la Dream Theater or Yes.

Scott: [Laughs] It easily could've been. And it almost did. [Laughs]



Sharon: The vocal intro to "Secrets of the Snow Globe" was actually something we were going to use in "Spirit of Christmas" at one point. We eventually took it out, but always had that in the back of our heads.

Scott: "Secrets of the Snow Globe" went through many different iterations over time, and for a while was known as a song called "Avalanche". At the time that I was writing it, I wanted to showcase Sharon's phenomenal range. I also had the band Nightwish, who we love, in mind as we composed the song. Because this is the opener to the show and it is taking you inside the snow globe, we needed that eeriness of the intro. Once inside the globe, she tells the story of what the snow globe is about and that it keeps these secrets inside about Christmas. Then the prog metal piece is the journey as you are flying from place to place inside the snow globe. That was what I was thinking of as I wrote it. It could have gone into many additional directions, which it did for a while [Laughs]

Dan: “Handel’s Torch”, the instrumental rocker that comes up next has some elements of Hallelujah Chorus mixed in there, as well as some bits of other classical melodies mixed in. It also features some prominent flute and guitar interplay. How fun is this one to play?

Scott: We haven't played it live yet, but I suspect that this will be a blast to play in concert. We had so much fun playing it as we learned and recorded it.

Sharon: I envision a lot of things for that song.

Scott: I got the initial lick of this song from "Bring a Torch, Jeanette, Isabella", but no one else besides me hears it when we play it. [Laughs] I then melded it to the Hallelujah Chorus, and it came out great. When I brought it to the band the first time, everyone was all over it. I told the band that I really envisioned it with a groove like Led Zeppelin's "No Quarter" and the band really took to it and it is one that we are really proud of.

Dan: “Gonna Snow” is one of your more playful songs, getting away from the heaviness and complexity a bit. This one seemed to get a pretty fun reaction when you played this live.

Scott: It really got in there as a place-fitter in the storyline of the show. We set things up with that "Special Feeling" and you're in a snow globe, so it's gonna snow! And it also set up for the first time it snows on us in the show.

Sharon: It's just a fun, radio-friendly song.

Dan: “Polar Eve” is one of my favorite songs from the album. It is a bit different and the longest piece on the album. It brings to mind a Nightmare before Christmas-feel when I hear it, with its angular melodies and halting pace. What is this song about and where did this come from?

Scott: The melody and some of the lyrics just came to me in the middle of the night. I came down to the piano and started putting it together. That Nightmare Before Christmas vibe is there mainly because of the great record producer, Johnny Z, who we worked with for some time. I had never seen the movie and Johnny just loves it. At his urging, we sat down and watched it, so "Thank you, Johnny Z". I don't totally get the movie, but I was looking for a song about Santa and the North Pole and I gained some inspiration from the movie. As I was working on the melody, what was going through my head was "Dasher, Dancer, Donner...", all the reindeer. I changed the melody just enough to fit them in.

Dan: Karl Scully of the Irish Tenors sings this. Sounds like he really embraced this, with his nuances and phrasing. This had to be some new territory for him?

Sharon: Yes, it is. But he is such a professional and really did an amazing job.
(L-R): Fred Gorhau and Karl Scully
Photo courtesy Jeff Smith of ReflectionsNYC

Scott: Karl does just a great job on delivering on that song. One minute he is singing operas in New York City and then we bring him here and he does something completely different. He loves it though and he says that it has expanded his ability.

Dan: On your self-titled album, the band tackled the original Christmas story of Christ’s birth with “Once Long Ago”. Now you revisit that time period but with a little twist with “Four Kings”. Who knew that there was a fourth king and that they were a band?

Sharon: Only in Scott's world.

Scott: That's true. The story has been told a million times, and there are always the unsung heroes that are in the background. Did the shepherds get credit in there? Do the kings get much credit? I started thinking about the band, and you have the road crew who are the unsung heroes. If it wasn't for the road crew, the show wouldn't happen. I wanted to put the Fourth King up as the roadie. Ted, the fourth king, is the sound man. He's what is making it happen. If you listen to the lyrics, "Ted mixed the sound to spicen the taste" and he's rolling up the cables and setting up the amps. He is helping to put on the show for the stars of the show, the Three Kings, but none of it would've happened without him. I was just trying to be playful.

Dan: Obviously you are having some fun with this, but any trepidation injecting some humor into the holiest of stories?

Sharon: No, I think because in our set, we do have some somber moments and some very serious songs. I think it balances it out. Our first set is quite serious. "Gonna Snow" and "Four Kings" are a nice break with some fun, as is "Nutrocker" when we throw that in there.

Dan: Did you write this with vocalist Vinny Jiovino in mind? Like 'Once Long Ago", this is a real tour-de-force for his vocals.

Scott: I did, actually. I wrote it specifically for Vinny to sing.

Dan: Some of the lines between the verses, like “Hey Ted, Don’t forget those microphone cables, you know we got to tell a story, don’t you?” are real fun – did they come later?

Scott: Vinny created those with Tony Gaynor. During the show, it becomes this whole shtick and they thought there should be some rap in between the verses. Vinny played with them a bit and we decided to leave them in when we did the recording.

(L-R): Vinny Jiovino and Tony Gaynor
Photo courtesy Eletra Johansen
Dan: In concert, you pair this song with “Once Long Ago” as narrator Tony Gaynor urges lead vocalist Vinny Jiovino to tell the audience the “whole story” in what is one of the more comical exchanges on stage. Is any of that scripted?

Sharon: They came up with that on the fly and it just worked. But it's never the same every night, whatever they are feeling during the show, they go with.

Scott: It is a lot of fun. The band is just basically riffing while those two go at it. Some nights, it's gotten to like three minutes of them joking around with that and we have to signal, like "Hey guys, let's go". But it is a real fun exchange.

Dan: “In Plain Sight” tackles the tough subject of homelessness and encourages us to see life through their eyes. Why is that important? And why on a Christmas-themed album?

Scott: It ties it back to the first Christmas. If you listen to the beginning melody, its "Silent Night" but in a minor key. As I was writing this, I started thinking about how the Holy Family were homeless. They were supposed to be included in the census. They get there and they don't have any money, there's no room at the inn. Someone out of kindness took them in, even though it was a stable, it was someplace to be. I took "Silent Night" and put it in a minor key to make it more somber. It's not in the saddest of all keys, D minor, [Laughs] but rather A minor. It also hearkens back to how we started this band, which was to help the food pantry.

Dan: This song of course features Vinny once again, but also marks the debut of Alexis Smith on backing vocals. Tell me about Alexis, as she is new to the band.

Sharon: She does the chorus with me to make it stronger. She is a wonderful singer and I really enjoyed working with her in the studio. During the tour, she will be singing the lead on the "How did they get to this place?" part of the song as well as "Gonna Snow" and a few others.

Dan:  "A Christmas Dream (Salzburg Carol)" – I understand this is an arrangement of My Favorite Things that you have personally been playing for quite some time?

Scott:  I've been playing it for at least 20 years.  It is just an arrangement that I have been playing personally, mixing "My Favorite Things" with "Carol of the Bells".  We decided to flesh it out and add the other instrumentation.  We also beefed it up with probably sixty tracks of horns and bells, etc.

Sharon: Scott and I spent a lot of time in the studio after he and Fred came together on that song. We added horns, bells, that violin riff, the flute part. There are so many layers to it, but we think it came out so beautiful.

Dan:  Why do you think "My Favorite Things" has become a piece of music so associated with Christmas?  It certainly didn't start out that way.

Scott: It didn't, but The Sound of Music used to be shown on TV around Christmas time for many years, so for us personally, it is a song that we just wound up singing and playing around Christmas. Of course, it also has lyrical references to sleigh bells and snowflakes and The Reader's Digest book of the best Christmas songs always included it. We call it "The Salzburg Carol" because that is where the story takes place.

Dan: “A Toast to Time (Farewell)” is a very reflective song. Looking back one one’s life and wondering if they would do it all again. Since you write these lyrics, what provoked this one?

Scott: The older that you get, the more retrospective you get. You've been through so much in your life, whatever your life experiences have been, good, bad or indifferent. Personally, I do it throughout the year, but specifically at Christmas time it becomes something that many of us do. A tradition that Sharon and I had was that once the Christmas tree was all decorated and we had all of the presents under the tree and the kids were asleep, we would sit and think about what the last year delivered to us? What will the new year bring us? And then we tied it into "Auld Lang Syne".

Dan:  It is a really pretty song, but a very stark arrangement; just piano and vocals.  Was there any thought to bringing the full band in?

Sharon:  No, I feel the song would lose its intense emotional impact if it was performed by the full band.

Scott: In our show, it gets included in the encore. You come out of "Spirit of Christmas" with everybody singing, the band is roaring, people are on their feet. For us to go right into "A Toast to Time" is almost a complete shutdown of that and an emotional moment that the audience really enjoys. We see so many in the crowds with tears running down their cheeks. We also tie it into remembrances with famous people that were lost over the year and also family members that passed. We make it personal for the band. 

Dan:  I know songwriters are often hesitant to pick a favorite, but is there a song on here that you feel especially strongly about? Maybe it was the most fun? Or happiest on how it came out?

Scott:  "Handel's Torch" is the most fun to play, for sure. I'm proud of "Secrets of the Snowglobe", just from what we delivered as a band in that song. Sharon's vocals and Fred's guitar playing over top of that, the prog madness that is happening in there as a band.  That is probably the most musically intensive song, while "The Christmas Dream (Salzburg Carol)" is the most complex.


Sharon: I think as a band, everyone just delivered on this album. I can't say enough about Fred and his writing and playing. And of course, John and Greg have added so much. Greg writes such tasty bass lines to our songs. This is probably the strongest that we have ever been.

Dan: Now that the band has its third album out, how do you look back on the others?

Scott:  Looking back to the self-titled album, I sometimes cringe knowing how we have progressed as a band.  The songs are good, but we didn't have the money or experience yet to deliver the way we do now.  If we take into account the band's musicianship, tightness and maturity, if we were to go in and re-record that album, it would sound so much better.   

Sharon: I think every artist goes through that though, the growing pains. I am proud of all the albums, but if we were to record some of those older songs, they would reflect how we play today.

Dan: I feel with songs like “Polar Eve” and “The Four Kings”, the band is taking musical chances and stretching beyond its comfort zone. Would you agree?

Sharon:  I think that since The Magic of Winter, our albums portray a wide variety of musical styles.  That is definitely felt on the new one for sure. Contemporary, progressive rock, a little bit of rockabilly with "Four Kings", some metal.

Scott: I think that's what makes The Wizards, The Wizards. We do take chances on things and are not afraid to go into those different directions.

Dan:  Will the 2019 tour include many of the new songs?

Scott:  All of the songs except for one will be part of the setlist this year.  Along with many songs from our two previous albums of course.  That is always the challenge as you record more - what fits into the show and story and how does it work out timing-wise?

Dan:  Over the last couple of years, the band has added a few new members. Last year, John O.Reilly came on board for the tour and then went into the studio to record the new album. What does John bring to the band?

Scott: He is one of the nicest guys we have ever met. And as a drummer, he brings a level of precision that we had never consistently had before.

Dan: The word is that your band has had its share of musicians inquiring on openings. Steve Brown, guitarist known for his work in Trixter and Def Leppard, came on board this year. How did you know that he would be right for the Wizards?

Sharon:  He was recommended to us and we went to one of his gigs to see and meet him.  There was definitely a connection right away.

Scott: Steve had come to see us when he first got the Def Leppard gig, I think in 2014, and told us how much he loved the music and the show. I never forgot that. Now we went to see him, and we listened to his playing style that will fit in with what we do.  Plus, he came highly recommended by several people.

Dan:  Let's talk about a Wizards of Winter show. How has the show evolved over the years? What can a fan expect?

Scott:   This year will be the biggest production that we have had on any of our tours, though nothing compared to our friends in TSO.  Production is not the main focus of our shows, but we have introduced some video elements and new lights and some other fun stuff that complements our music.

Sharon: This will be our third year with Abner Torres of Out of Darkness Designs. He and Scott have mapped things out to a greater extent than years passed.

Scott: Our story is always the same, in terms of going in search of the true meaning of Christmas, but it has evolved and matured to the point that I think how the story transitions and the emotional feel comes across will be the best this year.

Dan: The Wizards’ concerts often get compared favorably to early TSO performances, before they added their big production elements. Would you say that is accurate?

Scott: We do and that is a compliment. The early TSO tours are much different than today's and we are much different from what they do today. We're not as "staged" as their shows. In many ways, particularly as they incorporated their giant video screens and play to a click, they became a soundtrack to a movie. There is no room for any flexibility or improvisation at all. And that's fine for them. That's just not us. We play more as a band.

Scott Kelly, in a moment of levity
Photo courtesy Jeff Smith of ReflectionsNYC
Dan:  One thing that The Wizards also do is poke fun at itself, which TSO would never do, whether it’s Tony’s fun interactions on stage or a certain keyboardist going into grinch-mode. Do you enjoy keeping it light?

Scott: Oh yes. Christmas is all about fun. If people are spending money to see us play, they should leave with a smile on their face and their heart lifted. Plus, we're not trying to be rock stars, we're trying to have fun and put on a great show.

Sharon: We have serious songs and serious moments, but when we have a chance, we like to take advantage of it and have some fun and be spontaneous.

Dan: One of the noticeable differences is that while your show has a narrative arc, your albums do not. You fit your songs into the live story.

Scott: We intentionally write like that because I didn't want to be trapped in a story. I wanted our overall story theme to be the same each year, but where do we go and how do we get there and what do we see is always different.

Dan: What are some of the challenges of touring nationwide in a 7 or 8-week time frame?

Scott: Long hours on the bus. We try to cover the geography with one band that acts like Mannheim Steamroller and TSO do with two.

Sharon: We so appreciate our fans and we do feel bad when we cannot get to their town. We see their comments and messages and emails asking why we aren't playing in their area.

Scott: What fans don't always understand is that we go where the promoters and agents send us. We would love to go back to some of the cities that have embraced us, but if there is not an invitation or if it doesn't route well, then it just doesn't happen. It is the same for all bands, I suppose, but we are locked in to playing in a certain time frame around the holidays.

Dan:  You’re operating in the independent universe, with no major labels and A&R people. Is there a certain freedom in that? And is there a hindrance to that?

Scott:  Both.  The hindrance is that it is hard to rise above the noise level to get noticed. With Sharon and I, this is our tenth year into the band, and we have put countless hours, all of our heart and soul to make it what it is today.  There is no financial investment coming from outside the band, there is no management. We have the flexibility of decision-making, but you have the responsibility and financial burden that comes along with that.

Dan: Scott, you wear a lot of hats in the band. Songwriter, keyboardist, musical director. In the ten years of The Wizards, how have you evolved in those roles? Have you learned to share yet?

Scott: When we first started this, I didn't understand the music business as a business. I have become really educated in the business side of things and what it takes for a band and a tour of this magnitude to get on the road. I like to control things, but I have learned to share. In the beginning, I did it all, but I eventually shared more with Sharon because the load became too much to handle. On the songwriting side of things, I have gotten a lot better. I had never really written songs before until we set out to create an album; I didn't know I had it in me. Though the earlier songs are good in their way, I feel the material I am writing now is stronger.

We do get offers from high level management companies that want to come in and manage the band. We also get offers from people that want to invest financially in the band. It becomes tough for us to loosen up enough to let things like that happen. Not so much giving up some control but being forced out of something that you spent the last ten years building. This has been a family project, with our daughters being involved in many aspects as well. It has grown and matured to the point that we probably can't handle it all ourselves anymore. What does the next step look like? I'm not sure. We're in the good problems to have/serious growing pains stage.

Dan: Have you looked past the 2019 tour yet? Any plans for what might be next musically?

Scott: Over the years, we have talked a lot about doing a project outside of the Christmas season. It's been tough to get people that want or are able to do it. Every year that we talk about it, everyone winds up with other commitments. This is the first time that I have a group that seriously want to do something in the off-season. I have some ideas, but I don't fully know what it is going to be yet. So, we'll explore that after the tour is over. Beyond that, there is always the talk of splitting into two bands for Christmas since we get enough offers and just can't accept them all. That is not something that we have seriously considered yet, but the conversation happens.

Dan: Well thank you for taking the time to chat about the new album and tour.

Scott: Anytime. Thanks for making the trip.


For more information:

Official website: https://thewizardsofwinter.com/
Stream the new album: https://thewizardsofwinter.hearnow.com/
Official Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/TheWizardsofWinter/